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What's your opinion on the points I made above on MoS - you agree or disagree with my points about the plot holes?
I don't think plot holes, unless they are gaping leaps in logic, are a useful form of criticism. Every film has plot holes or shortcuts or utilize caricatures to tell their story. Story shortcuts are not only acceptable, they are needed to make films. Who cares how Superman found the Fortress of Solitude? It's not needed to tell the story.

If you hate the tone of the film or find the story incoherent or think the writing is poor (this seems like the point of your thread, but you were really just being nit-picky) or think the emphasis on action over character made the film bland, then to me, that's "criticism."

I can't stand plot hole nit-picking unless it's something that makes the internal logic of the film fail.
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What if that's not were mind and politics were at? Was he supposed to fake it that he had a problem with commercialsim and consumerism?
Commercialism is an even more powerful force than it was when the original was released. You cannot use that as an excuse for making such a shallow film.


He does not need to "fake it" but then he should make an original zombie film and not just profit on the title. When you take on material created by someone else, you are accepting the duty that you are representing not just yourself and your point of view but that of the original creator.



Commercialism is an even more powerful force than it was when the original was released. You cannot use that as an excuse for making such a shallow film.


He does not need to "fake it" but then he should make an original zombie film and not just profit on the title. When you take on material created by someone else, you are accepting the duty that you are representing not just yourself and your point of view but that of the original creator.
I had not watched the original. Was that one primarily known for it's message or it's thrills in the eyes of the public?



I had not watched the original. Was that one primarily known for it's message or it's thrills in the eyes of the public?


I am not sure it is possible to distinguish the two. Romero may be brilliant but he is not subtle.



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I have a theory that the only reason the remake of Dawn of the Dead is named so is because the makers already had the idea of making a movie about zombies in a shopping mall but figured that remaking the film and having the original's fanbase complain about it simply because it's a remake would be better than making the film under a different name and having the same fanbase accuse it of being a rip-off. As such, the result is a zombie movie with a rather generic plot (albeit one packed with its own little references to Romero's films) that just so happens to throw in a few consumerism-based gags that come across as half-hearted obligations. The big difference is in how the third act plays out in both films...

WARNING: "DotD 1978/2004" spoilers below
The big climax of the original film involves the surviving members of the main cast staying in the mall despite them getting incredibly disillusioned about the whole thing because they don't feel like there's anywhere else to go, and if there was, would they really want to go there? This much is exemplified by the finale with the bikers where two of the survivors are willing to let the bikers have the run of the place if it means they'll leave sooner, while the third is determined to defend the mall because "it's theirs" and thus he ends up compromising everything even more as a result, even getting zombified in the process.

The remake's third act is prompted by a series of deaths - all related to the notorious "zombie baby" - which also makes the survivors in that film disillusioned with the prospect of living out the rest of their lives trapped in the mall. Instead of staying, they all cook up some half-baked plan to leave the mall in armoured trucks and find a boat belonging to one of the survivors in the hopes of sailing to a zombie-free island. While both endings make consumerism come across as an ultimately unsatisfactory concept, the "stay behind" ending served that point better by having its cast cling grimly to the remnants of their past life rather than escape in the hope of finding something better. From a narrative standpoint...granted, it's not like starting a war with rampaging bikers is a genius move either, but defending the mall makes more sense than escaping it. At least the former has a sort of cold self-preservation to it instead of the latter's vain hope. But hey, you've got to have a massive finale somehow, and having bikers storm the mall would be a bit implausible considering the fast zombies.


So yeah, the Dawn of the Dead remake tries to have its cake and eat it, too. It sort of wants to be the same blackly comic satire as the original, but it compromises itself somewhat for the sake of providing a quick, straightforward piece of zombie fiction.
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