How do all of you feel when they race swap characters?
I just wanted to know how do you guys feel about them race swapping characters that are white by casting black actors or actresses I am not a racist but I do think that it's getting kind of getting ridiculous I understand with films like black panther wakanda forever but roles like commissioner Gordon and Ariel the little mermaid film and I know the guy from Westworld was good as commissioner Gordon but personally I think jk Simmons would probably have made a better commissioner Gordon no offense to the guy from westworld he was good but I liked pat hingle more than him again no offense Geoffrey Wright was good but he just didn't blow me away in the batman and Halle bailey I just don't know anything she has been in I mean did she start on the Disney channel or something because I don't know her and they actually spray painted her hair orange and it just looks terrible just terrible I'm sorry that's just the way I feel about it. I understand that being inclusive is an important thing in Hollywood today and that certain characters can be played by black actors and actresses who have the talent but sometimes I feel like movie studios are trying to force people into being inclusive and not casting actors who bust their asses trying to get a role. But what do guys think do you agree with my views or do you think I am not being fair let me know down below!
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I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on "white-washing" roles.
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Re: How do all of you feel when they race swap characters?
Please use punctuation next time.
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Re: How do all of you feel when they race swap characters?
I think it's ultimately a question of asking just how relevant a given character's whiteness is to who they are as a character and, in the case of long-established characters like Commissioner Gordon, whether or not a character being white in every single one of their older iterations means that they have to continue being white in newer ones. If it's just a matter of thinking Jeffrey Wright specifically is not a good actor to play Gordon, that's one thing, but that doesn't necessarily mean his casting is an instance of forced diversity (and it's also a bit condescending to assume that a veteran character actor like Wright didn't also bust his ass working his way up to such high-profile roles).
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Re: How do all of you feel when they race swap characters?
If its done well in this case i mean if theyve chosen the actor for his or her acting ability rather than just basing it on their skin colour etc then I have no real issue with it.
Look at the character of Nick Fury who was always portrayed as a Caucasian but then was changed as they brought in the acting chops of Samuel L Jackson and very few battered an eye as it was done well. If changes are made purely to push diversity then theyre better off creating a brand new character then the race of that new character isnt an issue. |
To me it leads to several problems
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Originally Posted by Cryptic (Post 2350520)
Look at the character of Nick Fury who was always portrayed as a Caucasian but then was changed as they brought in the acting chops of Samuel L Jackson and very few battered an eye as it was done well.
https://i.insider.com/553f04c6ecad04...jpeg&auto=webp This is what the writer had to say....
I wanted an African-American Nick Fury to be director of SHIELD because the closest thing in the real world to this job title was held by Colin Powell at the time. I also thought Nick Fury sounded like one of those great, 1970s Blaxploitation names and so the whole thing coalesced for me into a very specific character, an update of the cool American super-spy Jim Steranko had done in the 70s and based on the Rat Pack, which seemed very nineteen sixties and due for some kind of upgrade.
Sam is famously the coolest man alive and both myself an artist Bryan Hitch just liberally used him without asking any kind of permission. You have to remember this was 2001 when we were putting this together. The idea that this might become a movie seemed preposterous as Marvel was just climbing out of bankruptcy at the time. What we didn’t know was that Sam was an avid comic fan and knew all about it. |
Originally Posted by Siddon (Post 2350525)
Nick Fury was race swapped in 2002 a decade before The Avengers by Mark Millar and Bryan Hitch it was a meta joke
https://i.insider.com/553f04c6ecad04...jpeg&auto=webp This is what the writer had to say.... |
Re: How do all of you feel when they race swap characters?
Errrr, zero problem with it at all. Why would there be?
Unless the character is well known for being white, historically like Bill Clinton or something. |
Originally Posted by I_Wear_Pants (Post 2350512)
Please use punctuation next time.
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Originally Posted by ScarletLion (Post 2350529)
Errrr, zero problem with it at all. Why would there be?
Unless the character is well known for being white, historically like Bill Clinton or something. |
Re: How do all of you feel when they race swap characters?
If it is a fictional character,then it doesn't bother me at all. I'm all for the best actor possible getting the role.
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Originally Posted by mattiasflgrtll6 (Post 2350530)
And paragraphs! My eyes really can't handle reading posts written like this, I often give up after just a few seconds.
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Re: How do all of you feel when they race swap characters?
I feel like fighting, being angry n stuff. Am I right? Right?
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I only care when it happens to comic book characters because they never ret con any of their characters. Purity is king at Marvel and DC.
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Re: How do all of you feel when they race swap characters?
Swapping race or gender to spread political agenda is bullshit. Having a black actress playing Anne Boleyn is no better than having black-faced white actors playing blacks in the old films (it's actually worse, as there's the added hypocrisy involved in modern times).
Not interested to write anything more elaborate as these threads are bound to get locked anyway. |
Re: How do all of you feel when they race swap characters?
I think everyone's already said anything I could possibly want to about this: often it's fine, sometimes it messes too much with the core of a character, and it can be done deftly and well, or it can just be a cynical ploy to garner some press. It's pretty much all in the specifics. I don't think anyone could write one overarching rule that led to intuitively pleasing results in all scenarios without a lot of ad hoc exceptions.
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Originally Posted by Cryptic (Post 2350520)
If its done well in this case i mean if theyve chosen the actor for his or her acting ability rather than just basing it on their skin colour etc then I have no real issue with it.
Look at the character of Nick Fury who was always portrayed as a Caucasian but then was changed as they brought in the acting chops of Samuel L Jackson and very few battered an eye as it was done well. If changes are made purely to push diversity then theyre better off creating a brand new character then the race of that new character isnt an issue. In the case of Wright's Leiter, I think a big part of whether or not it's justifiable is whether or not it would be realistic at the time. In the modern day, there are no doubt quite a few black CIA agents, and Leiter's very essence never relied on his race, so I'm perfectly cool with Wright being Leiter as long as he's as good as the other Leiter actors. Sometimes they make it obvious that they're race-swapping for politics, but this is the kind of situation that makes sense for the context. In Nick Fury's case, they introduced a black multiverse variant in the comics, so take it for what you will. Jackson makes a better Fury than Hasselhoff did. Now switching everyone around in that live action Power Rangers movie... Power Rangers was ALWAYS about multinationality, so switching the races around was pointless. I mean, Zach was COOL because he was a great dancer, and that stemmed from pride of his heritage. And they took that away from him in the 2017 movie just because they didn't want teenagers getting offended by something that's actually a compliment. No one is saying all black people act one way just by making a black guy a good dancer. |
Re: How do all of you feel when they race swap characters?
Everytime I start to type something I end up deleting it. So go ahead and finish my post for me:
The real problem here is.... |
I actually think the term "race-swap" itself is completely a couched and intentionally politically-charged term that says a lot about the person using it and immediately makes me back away from that person.
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