Messed story lines? I'm not sure what you mean by that. As for always winning, In X2 there quite a few failures on the part of the team and prof X. Pyro defected, Jean got aced, Prof X failed to help Jason Stryker, which ultimately caused his demise and Gen. Strykers descent into megalomania. The X-men don't always win.

Peter Parker got his uncle killed, and I wouldn't call that a victory.

Please elaborate on "Messed story lines" so I can respond to that. :)

Messed story lines? I'm not sure what you mean by that. As for always winning, In X2 there quite a few failures on the part of the team and prof X. Pyro defected, Jean got aced, Prof X failed to help Jason Stryker, which ultimately caused his demise and Gen. Strykers descent into megalomania. The X-men don't always win.

Peter Parker got his uncle killed, and I wouldn't call that a victory.

Please elaborate on "Messed story lines" so I can respond to that. :)

Right, Singer has already stated he would like to do The Dark Phoenix Saga, and I am all for it, as I think it is one of the better X-men storylines out there. Jean has died and returned about 6 billion times through-out the history of the comics, so I guess I don't mind of they do it once in the films (OK twice, as Famke has it going on).

As for the whereabouts of Cap and Superman, they are on shelves every month in comic stores, where they have been for decades. There are already four Superman films, I would watch the first, and maybe the second, but that's it. There is another Superman film in the works and here is the latest news just two days old.

And another related piece from 3 days ago....

As to when the hero dies and Norman Osbourne came back after being replaced by his son and many others as the green goblin... Isn't that the villain being replaced? Spiderman is still Peter Parker, correct?

AOz
Sorry but in the clone saga, Mary jane became pregant and after peter fought off all the clones and ben reily was left, he asked him to take the role of spider-man, but ben was killed by the green goblin and peter had to once again regain the role of spider-man


As for tragedies and great things happening to the hero...would you like to see them perhaps have to treat a rough case of athlete's foot or get diarrhea or something? If you mean they all have a tragedy in their life that inspires them to become a hero/villain, the X-men wouldn't fit into this group you have listed, as they are mutants, a product of the next step in the evolution of man.

AOZ
Technically the x-men do count, but i was only looking at wolverine in the picture here. But now when you think about , rogue, cyclops, almost every one of them has a back story to some tradegy in there life , doesnt even have to be a tradegy , but it has to be something that has inspired them to fight evil. Realy though ranting on isnt going to do anything, and maybe they can last , but im not sure.

One of the main underlying themes of the X-men has always been political in it's nature, addressing racism and inequity among humans. Giving the comic a heart so to speak, by addressing real, and relevant human issues. Perhaps I read to deeply into these storylines, but these are professional people creating these pieces of literature, and they have things to say about the state of the world today. That's what I look for in a comic if I am going pay for it. The cool characters and excellent artwork are also factors as well, but the writing is really what I tend to look for...

Anyway, if you are tired of the same 'ol stuff, check out some different books that have vastly different concepts in them. Check out The Watchmen, the deconstruction of the hero stereotype, written by Alan Moore, a sheer genius with mind bending writing ability that hits home.
AOZ
thanks i will, my Uncle own a shop, ill be sure to look out for them.

Also check out Planetary by Warren Ellis, or Grant Morrison's run on New X-men

Anyway, if you are tired of the same 'ol stuff, check out some different books that have vastly different concepts in them. Check out The Watchmen, the deconstruction of the hero stereotype, written by Alan Moore, a sheer genius with mind bending writing ability that hits home.

in the spider-man comics gwen stacy was the women in peters life and they met in college and she was killed by the greengoblin im positive that if that had that happen in the first place i would have been more hooked on it you dont see that sort of thing in a movie now a days

Hollywood won't stop until there are no comic book heroe's left. And they'll probably make a hell of a lot of sequels.

I saw about five minutes of footage from Sin City (Robert Rodriguez, Frank Miller and Quentin Tarantino), and it was amazing stuff. Can't hardly wait.

Spring 2005. Sometime between March and May. No firm date yet. They haven't even completely finished filming, as Frank said they still have a few pick-ups and inserts and such to shoot. Then they have to assemble it. It's going to be a great movie, and an even grerater DVD. To get three Sin City stories into Sin City the movie, obviously they each had to be cut down a little. But they've shot the entire story for each three, and all that footage will be on the eventual DVD, and you will be able to watch them as three completely seperate 50 or 55-minute movies.

Cool, huh? Wait to you see the still basically raw footage. Mickey Rourke is rising like a phoenix! Damn, did he look amazing!

Well i dont want to be ranting on but i need to know do you think comic book movies can last, I mean between the messed up story lines, and the hero always winning its starts to get boring like how everyone argues over who going to win the next versus flick its almost like the same movie hero fight bad guy hero wins. any ways i need to know so just vote thanks

Wasn't it Mary Jane first, then Gwen Stacy? Peter met MJ in high school, before collage.

I wouldn't call TMNT "full of gore." It was kind of violent and showed blood as a result of battles, but there weren't internal organs strewn about or anything. My kids have read my old TMNT comics and the first movie was actually just a mildly toned down mash up of the first dozen or so issues.

Comic book movies is even more far reaching than you've indicated. From Hell was based on a comic book. So were The Road to Perdition, American Splendor, Ghost World, 30 Days of Night, The Crow, Men in Black, Wanted, Whiteout. The list could almost literally go on and on. Comic book movie is different than super hero movie, even if one term automatically is associated with the other.

(Caveat: I'm not saying those were all good or bad movies, as most of them I have not actually seen, just saying they're based on comics.)

Blade wasnt even a comic book but a supporting character in the Tomb Of Dracula series (great run of books there).

Gwenn Stacy or Mary Jane, who came first?

I think Betty Brant dated him briefly first, followed by Gwen Stacy. Not sure when Mary Jane came in as a serious love interest.

I could be miss-remembering this but I think Mary Jane started as kind of a set-up/blind date thing by Aunt May and friends of the family (?) but didn't amount to anything until later on. Probably after Gwen given that 5-issue time-frame.

I could be miss-remembering this but I think Mary Jane started as kind of a set-up/blind date thing by Aunt May and friends of the family (?) but didn't amount to anything until later on. Probably after Gwen given that 5-issue time-frame.

I looked up the chronolgy and it is MJ before Stacy as far as dating, but Stacy introduced first.

Wow, you guys are super nerds.

Romita first drew MJ.

Ditko first drew Gwen Stacy.

Romita replaced Ditko so Gwen must be first.

Well, someone has to be, or you normal people wouldn't have anyone to make fun of. :D

He didn't meet her until after Gwen. She was around in a pane or two with Aunt May i think with her face not shown. We were talking about when he actually met MJ and it was after Gwen.

We are super nerds, aren't we?

He didn't meet her until after Gwen. She was around in a pane or two with Aunt May i think with her face not shown. We were talking about when he actually met MJ and it was after Gwen.

Peter Parker didn't meet Gwen Stacy until after Mary Jane. She appears without her face shown in a few panels by Ditko as Aunt May is trying to set them up, but Parker is not in the panel.

If you are saying Romita first drew Gwen Stacy, you are wrong.

I can be a supernerd sometimes.. but not so much in detail.
Besides I hate Spiderman.

I mistyped the second one.

I was there. I read most of those early ones although I preferred DC in general. Spiderman back then was easily the best Marvel book.

That's pretty much the marvel formula, exhaustively convoluted but shallow continuity with romance between hot people, and plot twists.

That's because it is basically a soap opera with radioactive mutation thrown in. That's pretty much the marvel formula, exhaustively convoluted but shallow continuity with romance between hot people, and plot twists.

That was the biggest problem I had with the Spiderman movies.

I have always loved Thor, Silver Surfer, Hulk & Captain America as characters.. Don't care about the rest of the Marvel characters..
I like Ditko's run on Dr. Strange, only ended up reading it after Tom Wolfe mentioned it in Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test.

I prefer reading specific storylines from the mainstream comics rather than reading all the issues.

Marvel did have some nice titles decades ago, like:

ROM the space Knight.
Warlock
Dreadstar
& my all time favorite 'NAM.